{"id":54477,"date":"2025-05-28T12:40:03","date_gmt":"2025-05-28T12:40:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/academy.xebia.com\/us\/?p=54477"},"modified":"2025-05-28T12:40:03","modified_gmt":"2025-05-28T12:40:03","slug":"get-to-know-sander-dur","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/academy.xebia.com\/us\/get-to-know-sander-dur\/","title":{"rendered":"Get To Know\u2026 Sander Dur"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"23d670de\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__anchor\" id=\"our-company\">\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-columns\" data-id=\"c4e66311\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"335e932d\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"1a293b1e\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-heading\" data-id=\"d3aee16f\">\n\t<h1\tclass=\"heading block-heading__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"925ea3a7\"\n>\n\tGet To Know\u2026 Sander Dur<\/h1><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"8f6df5be\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"23763606\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"c7843936\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"3d0928c0\">\n\tAs you may have experienced yourself already, our trainers are at the heart of our company. Yes, we\u2019re knocking on an open door here, but it\u2019s good to acknowledge that without trainers, we wouldn\u2019t have been a training company. Their expertise, enthusiasm, and teaching skills are vital to our\u2014and your\u2014success.<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"f55b374b\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"3894356a\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"83b7dc5d\">\n\tContinuing our \u201cGet to Know\u2026\u201d series is Sander Dur, our dedicated Xebian who has transitioned from consultancy to full-time training and is passionate about Scrum and Agile methodologies. Get ready for a Q&amp;A with our dynamic and authentic Scrum expert.<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"5c6b685c\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"block-flex__flex component-flex\" data-id=\"c9c2e116\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"a91c5ef8\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"98dc5104\">\n\t29 July, 2024<\/p><\/div>\n\n<\/div>\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"199f0730\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-image\" data-id=\"b5242550\">\n\t<picture class=\"image block-image__image\" data-id=\"4a02f547\">\n\n\t\n\t\n\t<img\n\t\tsrc=\"\/academy\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2024\/08\/WhatsApp-Image-2024-08-05-at-11.34.25-3-e1723032342532.jpeg\"\n\t\talt=\"\"\n\t\tclass=\"image__img block-image__image-img\"\n\t\/>\n<\/picture><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"10662b78\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__anchor\" id=\"our-company\">\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-columns\" data-id=\"d9ce9ea6\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"db1291c4\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"b30c7987\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-heading\" data-id=\"e62d8966\">\n\t<h2\tclass=\"heading block-heading__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"008ef9af\"\n>\n\t<strong>Who are you and what do you do at Xebia Academy?<\/strong><\/h2><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"14c6fbac\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"e449552b\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"39ff74ea\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"9af49484\">\n\t&#8220;My name is Sander Dur. I work as a professional Scrum and general Agile trainer at Xebia Academy. After a decade of consultancy, I made the switch to full-time training this year.&#8221;<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"03372bf8\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"8958196f\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"caedde92\">\n\t&#8220;I hold all the Scrum.org certifications, and that&#8217;s been my main focus so far. About 90 to 95 percent of my work leverages these certifications. In the past, I was also an SPC (SAFe Program Consultant), but I\u2019ve shifted focus to other scaling frameworks.&#8221;<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"6b36b599\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-columns\" data-id=\"ee6aeb6d\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"994c9b30\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"a926b3f7\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-heading\" data-id=\"2bf992a8\">\n\t<h2\tclass=\"heading block-heading__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"ef549179\"\n>\n\t&#8220;The way that my students see me is not any different than how I am when I&#8217;m not teaching or when you meet me at a bar. I stay true to myself. Apparently, that&#8217;s what resonates with people.&#8221;<\/h2><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"de71f0cb\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"true\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-video\" data-id=\"a28dab69\">\n\t<div class=\"video block-video__video js-video\" data-id=\"\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"video__inner block-video__video--inner\"\n\t\t\tdata-options=\"{&quot;loop&quot;:false,&quot;autoplay&quot;:false,&quot;mute&quot;:true}\"\n\t\t\tdata-controls=true muted\t\t>\n\t\t\t<iframe src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/uDRsCRASabA?si=ijcwXp_0S1g_Zr_K\" \n\t\t\t\tallowfullscreen \n\t\t\t\tallowtransparency>\n\t\t\t<\/iframe>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"block-video__overlay js-video-overlay\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"544130f1\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"4d840632\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"954f55ee\">\n\t<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/uDRsCRASabA?si=mIh6WFQU4qpnVRNC\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Watch interview on YouTube<\/strong><\/a><\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"0f8eeffe\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__anchor\" id=\"our-company\">\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-columns\" data-id=\"ed2cbade\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"47d0c621\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"6f8396b6\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-heading\" data-id=\"7669ffa7\">\n\t<h2\tclass=\"heading block-heading__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"483207bb\"\n>\n\t<strong><strong>How did you become a trainer<\/strong><\/strong>?<\/h2><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"95e2f562\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"0718993d\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"26a19b0c\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"8871318d\">\n\t&#8220;That&#8217;s an interesting story. About eight years ago, I experienced burnout. I was working as a PMO (Project Management Officer) and was driven by the wrong motivations, always trying to take the next step rather than focusing on what made me happy. Through therapy and coaching, I realized I wanted to be a Scrum Master. I enjoyed the teaching part and helping others improve.&#8221; <\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"34c3670f\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"955134c0\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"b1fcd492\">\n\t&#8220;The support from the Scrum.org community made it a logical step for me to become a professional Scrum trainer, giving back to the community that supported me.&#8221;<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"697665b2\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__anchor\" id=\"our-company\">\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-columns\" data-id=\"c1005aad\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"5f3ac581\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"1f0c7f83\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-heading\" data-id=\"7dc0a1cc\">\n\t<h2\tclass=\"heading block-heading__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"9562ecf1\"\n>\n\t<strong><strong><strong>What do you enjoy about teaching?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h2><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"d69985e7\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"7cdd5327\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"b47bf1f5\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"7e844ac6\">\n\t\u201cI love when students ask critical questions and try to understand the &#8216;why&#8217; behind what I&#8217;m teaching. This critical mindset ensures they truly grasp the concepts and can apply them effectively. It\u2019s similar to how my kids constantly ask &#8216;why&#8217; to understand things better.&#8221;<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"63fcce4c\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-image\" data-id=\"668940c0\">\n\t<picture class=\"image block-image__image\" data-id=\"e261f82b\">\n\n\t\n\t\n\t<img\n\t\tsrc=\"\/academy\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2024\/08\/WhatsApp-Image-2024-08-05-at-11.34.25-2-1-e1723032387622.jpeg\"\n\t\talt=\"\"\n\t\tclass=\"image__img block-image__image-img\"\n\t\/>\n<\/picture><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"9a501c3c\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__anchor\" id=\"our-company\">\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-columns\" data-id=\"d60283bd\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"2ad341ea\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"6e8e67ea\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-heading\" data-id=\"626d7d43\">\n\t<h2\tclass=\"heading block-heading__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"45d13bd1\"\n>\n\t<strong><strong><strong><strong>We receive a lot of feedback from participants that they enjoy being taught by you. Why do you think you\u2019re a popular trainer?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h2><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"341fcda4\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"daa0cd07\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"76189847\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"6de8437f\">\n\t\u201c<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"e21ab236\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"4fabf0f7\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"a6aa1400\">\n\tThank you to the students for the feedback. I think it\u2019s because I stay true to myself. The way I am in class is the same as when I\u2019m outside of work. This authenticity seems to resonate with people.&#8221;<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"760202d7\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__anchor\" id=\"our-company\">\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-columns\" data-id=\"b071a8db\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"81a551ed\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"37ca569b\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-heading\" data-id=\"8a2b847f\">\n\t<h2\tclass=\"heading block-heading__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"e5c4463d\"\n>\n\t<strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>Why is training with Xebia different from other companies?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h2><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"f0f6d9c4\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"2f48bb7e\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"f339fd4f\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"4a28749f\">\n\t\u201cXebia genuinely puts people first. I\u2019ve worked for many companies that claim to do so, but Xebia is the first where I truly feel it. There\u2019s immense support from the organization, from industry leaders to management, which makes it feel like home. This support translates into the training as well, as I can bring real-world examples and knowledge from various experiences, including consultancy and podcasts.&#8221;<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"f0ad6d56\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__anchor\" id=\"our-company\">\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-columns\" data-id=\"7fcd6a05\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"5737c4f5\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"d467d2ee\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-heading\" data-id=\"433778c6\">\n\t<h2\tclass=\"heading block-heading__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"784322b8\"\n>\n\t<strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>How does this support reflect in your training?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h2><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"ff507214\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"3b76a149\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"3e3ae515\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"bc155437\">\n\t\u201cMost examples I use in training come from my consultancy work and podcasts. Xebia supports me in these endeavors, which helps me gather diverse knowledge and perspectives to share with my students. This ensures that the training is not just theoretical but proven in practice.\u201d<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"5faf71a2\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-columns\" data-id=\"725ee8fe\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"e708d696\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"1192589b\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-heading\" data-id=\"662a0e7a\">\n\t<h2\tclass=\"heading block-heading__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"c3027106\"\n>\n\t&#8220;Xebia is the first company where I truly feel like people come first. The support from the entire organization makes it feel like home and allows me to bring real-world experiences into my training.&#8221;<\/h2><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"cbdfee01\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__anchor\" id=\"our-company\">\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-columns\" data-id=\"aae1f10d\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"8063742f\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"7fe49223\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-heading\" data-id=\"6a93ae30\">\n\t<h2\tclass=\"heading block-heading__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"2ab29071\"\n>\n\t<strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>Stepping aside from your training activities and work, what are other things that you like doing?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h2><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"46f0e5fa\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"a142b3b1\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"8441e8be\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"606afebb\">\n\t\u201cI have a podcast called &#8220;<strong>Mastering Agility<\/strong>&#8221; that takes up quite some time. I also have three kids and a very active Labrador named Ace, who keeps me busy. Besides that, I enjoy reading and playing Call of Duty.\u201d<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"68fe2a58\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__anchor\" id=\"our-company\">\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-columns\" data-id=\"d1fa2877\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"b4e223b7\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"60fee2bc\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-heading\" data-id=\"0b1549bd\">\n\t<h2\tclass=\"heading block-heading__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"ae89845b\"\n>\n\t<strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>How did your podcast, &#8220;Mastering Agility,&#8221; come about?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h2><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"5c24ffa9\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"c1afe949\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"a6f1ff5e\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"d01254c9\">\n\t\u201cI started it with my previous employer to differentiate myself and boost the company\u2019s visibility. I aimed to connect with industry leaders to stand out. We\u2019ve had guests like Formula One drivers, Dave Snowden, and Dave West from Scrum.org. The podcast has grown significantly, and we now have a Discord community, merchandise, and a Medium publication.\u201d<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"171d28ad\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-image-carousel js-block-image-carousel\" data-id=\"74fcfb06\">\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"block-image-carousel__navigation\">\n\t\t\t<button\tclass=\"btn block-image-carousel__btn js-block-image-carousel-prev\"\n\tdata-id=\"b89a7e2e\">\n\t<i class=\"icon btn__icon\" data-id=\"8dfc7e1b\"  aria-hidden=\"true\">\n\t<svg width='24' height='24' viewBox='0 0 24 24' fill='none' xmlns='http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg'><path d='M18.5 13a1 1 0 1 0 0-2v2ZM4.793 11.293a1 1 0 0 0 0 1.414l6.364 6.364a1 1 0 0 0 1.414-1.414L6.914 12l5.657-5.657a1 1 0 0 0-1.414-1.414l-6.364 6.364ZM18.5 11h-13v2h13v-2Z' 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\n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"d9444d36\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"be428eac\">\n\tThank you for reading and watching the interview. We would love to share more about what motivates our trainers, what made them topic experts, what they do besides work, and why they are so passionate about their jobs. Keep an eye out for interviews with our other trainers. <\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"0518ba27\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-paragraph\" data-id=\"cd1d1cac\">\n\t<p class=\"paragraph block-paragraph__paragraph\" data-id=\"9974c265\">\n\tCheck <a href=\"https:\/\/academy.xebia.com\/trainer\/sander-dur\/\">Sanders\u2019 trainer profile<\/a> on our website for more information, content, and upcoming courses with Sander.<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper\" \n\tdata-id=\"b4e25efb\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__anchor\" id=\"our-company\">\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-columns\" data-id=\"99a0928d\">\n\t\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"a6c3a2ba\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"86168a5a\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"block-heading\" data-id=\"95d4c7c0\">\n\t<h2\tclass=\"heading block-heading__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"a0ab785c\"\n>\n\tTrainer Profile<\/h2><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"block-column\" data-id=\"5f81e8da\">\n\t\n\n<div \n\tclass=\"wrapper wrapper--simple\" \n\tdata-id=\"3df0c8cf\" \n\tdata-bg-on-inner=\"false\" \n\t>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wrapper__inner\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"card-simple block-card__card-simple\" data-id=\"19044b4d\">\n\t\n\t<div class=\"card-simple__two-column\">\n\t\t<div class=\"card-simple__content\">\n\t\t\t<h2\tclass=\"heading card-simple__heading\"\n\tdata-id=\"144b97ed\"\n>\n\tLearn more about Sander<\/h2><p class=\"paragraph card-simple__paragraph\" data-id=\"6cc4eab7\">\n\tGather more insights shared by Sander, or find one of his upcoming courses. 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